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From Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/1as1yjk/microsoft_in_their_infinite_wisdom_has_replaced/
I must admit, “Linux becomes the refuge of luddites” was never on any bingo card I could have conceived of for 202X.
Huh? Isn’t this about Microsoft changing out a button with a well established use, in order to take advantage of muscle memory and the unobservant?
Don’t think it’s much to do with people opposing technological advancement, but rather with opposing another company wanting to making a fool of them.
More over being a luddite on Linux is like a fish trying to breathe in a public swimming pool; it works until the chlorine poisoning sets in.
Linux adopts new technology constantly.The difference is that Linux generally adopts new technology because it enhances the user experience in some way, and not because it maximizes ad revenue and telemetry.
Very true.
Ehn, one can survive pretty long with a stable distro.
Yes, but eventually that LTS goes EOL and you’ll have to move from that abandonware.
Ubuntu LTS versions can last 10-12 years before EOL.
Yes, 10-12y to swim, slowly in-taking chlorine overtime…
Then when you do finally switch, you find yourself in a similar yet vastly different swimming pool and the cycle starts over.
Imagine when eventually the LTS goes Wayland only and Luddites go : “I’mma just stay with my abandonware forever.”
Luddites hate adapting to new technology as a character trait, it’s what makes them a Luddite.
Luddites will often choose to deal with decrepit, vulnerable, abandonware then change to something new because they don’t want to spend a week learning new “muscle memory”.
This is just another gripe about how Microsoft is putting AI into everything. If it’s really just about the position of a button (which apparently can be changed in the settings if you still want it there) it’s even more petty. Certainly not worth posting about on a general technology community.
I work in IT, and every time I do an install (sometimes new computers, sometimes not) for someone I see Microsoft’s little News widget they put on the Taskbar, the one that pops up a huge window if you mouse over it. Every time I see that, I ask the person if they ever use it, and they always say no. Then I ask them if they want it gone, and they always say yes, usually with some kind of relief. It’s a matter of two clicks to do it, easier than going into the settings menu like your screenshot, but every computer I haven’t been on previously has it. Now, I’d wonder why Microsoft would put something on the Taskbar that is, in my experience, universally disliked. To me it reeks of the pathetic, groveling, “I’ll suck your dick” energy they have when someone installs Chrome.
Windows 10 changed a lot over the course of its lifetime, and while some feature are good, like Dark Mode, they’re mostly useless or downright bad. So putting something that most people will never use and will greatly confuse and annoy the average user in a place that has been dedicated to a single function for at the very least Windows 10’s entire lifetime (I think it’s there in 8 and maybe 7 also) for seemingly no reason other than to fuck with people’s muscle memory is just one more move very worthy of griping about, no matter how easy it is for users to turn off. Because 99% of users just won’t, because they aren’t confident enough to go futzing around in the settings. But they’ll still get whatever god awful popup this button shows every time they try to show desktop like they’ve been doing for over a decade. It’s yet another change that nobody asked for, nobody will use, and that the user will have to remember that it’s different now for no reason.
The Luddites of Linux are one’s desperately trying to convince people that Xorg is perfectly flawless and that Wayland is vaporware.
A luddite should ideally not involve in Display Server wars
Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?
Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.
It’s simply functionally inferior now. Calling people luddites won’t change that.
Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?
Literally, YOU right now.
Also, this is the linux community; everyone has an opinion on everyone else’s opinion.Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.
LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.
It’s simply functionally inferior now.
It’s functionally superior in many ways, and here’s the real kicker, its actually maintainable and expandable.
Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.
I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.Just fyi this isn’t the Linux community. It’s just “technology”.
Granted on lemmy it’s basically just one big Linux community.
Didn’t even realize lmao.
Literally, YOU right now.
I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions. So I don’t care about you in particular.
Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.
Wrong.
Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.
I don’t use HDR and I don’t care. Just like you don’t care about what I use.
its actually maintainable and expandable.
Yes, I’m sure somewhere 10 years after I’ll use it after it’s been finally expanded to something usable.
I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.
Too bad
I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions
You answer you’re own opinions? funny.
Wrong
CWM : stacking window manger
LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, and Sway, etc.FVWM : Tab Window Manager
DWL, Hyprland, Sway again, etc.You’re factually disproven.
I don’t use HDR and I don’t care…
I’m sure somewhere 10 years after…Luddite : one who is opposed to technological change.
Thanks for proving my point. For further discussion you can TELNET me @ www.megaboomerenergy.com::80This is incomprehensible, you are arguing not having seen once what you are arguing about.
If you want a 1:1 equivalent WM, then you’ll just have to build it yourself scrub.
The WMs I listed can already do everything CWM & FVWM can, then some.
If Linux Luddites could TELNET into Lemmy, they would be very angry with you!
“And the lord said unto John, come forth and install gentoo.”
friendly reminder that https://theconversation.com/im-a-luddite-you-should-be-one-too-163172
That article attempts to paint Luddism in a positive light and then tries to redefine the term to mean something very for “neo-Luddites” anyway. I don’t find it particularly compelling or well reasoned.
What do you mean? Vocal parts of Linux community is about 80% luddites
Muscle memory abuse
I’ve been using Linux since Ubuntu was in the single digits. Looks like windows entering the double digits is finally the end. I thought win10 would be able to stay relatively unmolested, but nope, copilot button and bullshit right there in the bar. Why can’t you just leave us the fuck alone. Your driving everyone away who doesn’t have a professional obligation to use your OS. I’ll still have to keep a old win10 boot drive that never connects to a network so I can play games and use CAD that Linux can’t. As a KDE fanboi they’ve added pretty much everything I’ve always wished for and plasma 6 is launching.
Now is my time. Fuck you Microsoft. I won’t miss you.
I noticed this bullshit a few days ago on my Win 11 desktop! I found if you go check the settings of the start bar, you can hide the copilot icon in the lower right, and then there’s a check box to enable the lower right hand corner to work as show desktop again. The functionality can be restore to exactly as it was, but what the hell were they thinking.
Enshitification, plain and simple.
I genuinely do not get the hype of integrating LLMs fucking everywhere. There are places it makes sense, like word processors and email clients. Then there are places it doesn’t make sense, like as an aside in my desktop environment. No one’s going to use it. It’s Cortana all over again.
Except I used Cortana all the time on my windows phone before they trashed that idea
I get putting it here but it should probably just be in the normal search. Search is shit on every os in general. LLM could theoretically help it find actually relevant stuff (and filter out the kink it usually surfaces).
I don’t wanna defend Microsoft here cause yk fuck them but I’ma guess most people didn’t even know the show desktop was there tbh or if they did use it but then again I’ve never understood why it was there I never use it
Hide desktop is useful if you have many non-minimized windows and you don’t want to minimize each one. I can vouch for that button 😎.
Yeah, I hink its super useful too. But i usually use win+d.
Or if you’re a psychopath with a desktop full of icons and files. Shudders
I’ve known it was there but never used it.
To be fair it’s not like there’s an icon showing what it does. Maybe it should have? I haven’t had issues with overcrowded task bars since Windows XP.
Not enshitification, cause they’re not jacking up the price to put Show Desktop back. Just bad UI.
Switch to Linux!
As a Linux user myself, let me tell you that telling people what they should/must do this is how you make people plainly ignore you and think you’re just an annoying person.
People will keep using what works for them, be it Windows/Linux/MacOS even if with minor inconveniences. Same goes for browsers/services/etc…
Wow, Microsoft are always so innovative! I never thought that the Win11 taskbar could get any shittier, but somehow they managed it. It’s great to see those thousands of engineers being put to good use.
Everyone: Don’t say anything sensitive or personal to an AI because it could end up in training data!
Microsoft: We’re making it easier to feed everything you do on your computer to an AI from notepad to your desktop!
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Notepad++
Even reads and formats/highlights code
I mean, it doesn’t matter what you use when the operating system already comes with a built-in keylogger enabled by default.
just switched to Linux for the first time this week!
I’ll happily help you if needed. Hmu.
This is the problem with Linux. People that know how to use a PC and are not tech illiterate still can’t use it very well. Just the fact that you offered means you know they are probably having some issues.
I know how to use a PC and I am tech literate and I can use Linux just fine so I don’t get what your point is.
There a reason memes like this exist.
And those memes are hilarious
I’ve never claimed otherwise. I enjoy a good meme.
I have used Linux off and on for almost 20 years.
I install it, see if I can do everything I want.
Get lost in terminal hell.
Give up and uninstall it.
Until I can browse to a webpage, download a program and click on an icon and have it install and work, the OS is shit for the general user. It’s not that fucking difficult of a concept.
I mean, for most distros you should be about to install and use the OS without touching the terminal. Yeah, you may want to use it for some things (idk what you were trying to do) but it’s kind of the same thing in Windows with registry edits and such. It’s a tool and if you don’t know how to use it, you’re probably gonna get lost.
Also how is it easier to go to a webpage to download an installer instead of using a store? Even microsoft is trying to move in that direction.
I don’t want to say your experience is invalid because I definitely think Linux can improve in terms of user experience. But it’s not very helpful to just complain about stuff vaguely.
You’re right. It’s not that difficult of a concept and luckily Linux works just like that. I will admit that Linux wasn’t always user friendly but it’s made leaps and bounds in that department. A bit less than a year ago, I decided one day to wipe my SSD completely and install Linux and I’ve been using it ever since. I’m doing everything I was doing for. Obviously this is going to depend on your specific needs but for me it’s been just fine.
No it doesn’t.
My last attempt was six months ago. Still had a few key programs in a tarball. Dow
Then there’s always the random hardware incompatibility. This last attempt it decided to flip the screen upside down on my laptop screen. Fun times…
It’s come a long way, but for the average user, it’s not anywhere near polished enough.
What kind of software do you use? I have never needed to install a tarball. Flipping the screen upside down seems like a very easily fixable problem compared to some of the stuff windows throws at you
I’m curious what distros you have tried.
The issue you’re having is it sounds like you don’t understand package managers. On your phone you go through the Play store or Apple store, and they manage your apps and keep them updated. It’s the same for Linux. You download and install things through the package manager (using the terminal or through the Discover application, assuming your distro has that). On Windows you go to a website and download an application, and that application has to keep track of updating itself. It has to check online for updates every time it launches and then ask you to download and install it then. Package managers are much more convenient. It may take a minute to get used to, but it’s better once you do.
Yeah. People new to computers in general have an easier time using Linux than Windows power users, because the latter expects the same experience as Windows when they are using an entirely different OS.
Then, when something Windows-esque doesn’t work (like downloading software from a website), they blame Linux instead of their method.
This is the problem with Windows. People that know how to use a PC and are not tech illiterate still can’t use it very well.
That’s not a problem with windows it’s a feature. Even the barely tech literate people can use it to bumble their way through to get the job done, eventually.
They don’t use it well but they still use it. They also rarely break it anymore.
Those of us who worked with these people with win 98 and XP… Shudder. They ways they screwed up the system was truly remarkable at times.
I’m extremely technically literate, build my own PCs and write my own software tools.
I don’t use Linux at home because I don’t want to fiddle. I want to sit down, open steam, and play a game.
I use Linux for many things, but my personal computer uses windows because it just works all the time.
I want to sit down, open steam, and play a game.
I’m sorry all of the Linux fan boys don’t like your comment. My main is Windows and my other PC is a Linux box.
Pointing out significant flaws that are holding the systems adoption rate back is never popular. Most of them are very techy and don’t have a clue what the average user needs. It’s a great way to get them all riled up.
I spent a few years as a process flow and bug finder for some programmers building a proprietary internal system. Then I trained non-tech savvy people on how to use the system. One of the most difficult jobs I have ever done. Bridging the gap between the two of them was brutal.
This place is a massive echo chamber. Votes don’t matter
One of us! One of us! One of us!
There are dozens of us, dozens!
Twitter sent me to Mastodon. Reddit sent me to Lemmy. Windows has sent me to Linux. These things are basically promoting the better versions of themselves by becoming shittier versions of themselves.
Same here. But I had always been on Linux since I was a kid because Ubuntu (Gnome 2 days) was very pretty compared to Windows XP to me.
More to the penguin army! Welcome
How much searching did you have to do? Be honest. Ever try to mount a network share permanently yet?
network share
Built-in to dolphin file manager 😜
I didn’t realize that was in every distro
It will be once I infiltrate all 9billion distros.
Gogogo
Literally every distro has dolphin in the repos
I was like wait they aren’t all already installed by default, then I realized you confirmed it.
It’s not automatically installed on gnome, because gnome sucks. But any KDE distro will have it, and any distro ever will have it in the repos
As someone on Manjaro for over a year, I did have a few searches, but they were rare and mostly related to obscure things I needed.
Not even close to the “search a fix every 10 minutes” experience I was promised.
No searching at all. I got a new computer last month.
- Install open-ssh server on the old computer
- Copy the IP address of the old computer
- Paste it into Dolphin
- Copy paste everything
And how would a new user know to find this specific app in the repo? Have you ever actually searched “how to permanently mount a network dive in Linux”? I didn’t see a single one saying dolphin.
I don’t know how to mount a network drive in Windows. So what’s your point?
btw I just searched how to do it in KDE. First result is a Reddit thread explaining how to do it in Dolphin.
I did, and it was fairly straightforward according to the documentation I found. This was a couple of years ago but I’m pretty sure I needed to figure out how to use nano, then type some magic words into fstab along with the IP and password, and I haven’t had to mess with it ever since.
… You guys might shit on it, but that’s incredibly smart on their part. Ten years or more of that button being there and now suddenly something else replaces it, just imagine the amount of people accidentally hitting the button and being introduced to copilot. This was a very deliberate change.
It’s Smart as in, MLM scheme smart. Not honorable, just smart. Like a thief that is clever about not leaving fingerprints.
That’s exactly why we shit on it
I’m pretty sure there’s a term for it. Google did it with shopping and images, Instagram changed the home button with some advertising thing (dont remember the exact details).
Better than whatever i wouldve come up with lol.
I was thinking enshittification
Shadow Patterns!
Dark pattern.
Phishing?
Nobody said it wasn’t deliberate. It’s still shitty af.
And the thing failed the things I asked it to do so far. It’s not very helpful with actually getting things done.
That’s why there are 3 of them now. One there and two in the corners of the start menu popup
If being an asshole is smart, I’d rather be dumb.
Dark pattern smart.
Just once I would love to open one of these threads without seeing people shitting… on Linux.
Linux is not even the one doing anything wrong but people gotta rag on whoever recommends it as an alternative. This is getting more annoying than however annoying they say Linux users are.
edit: Just to make clear because some folks aren’t getting it, this is not an invitation to argue about how you feel about Linux and Linux users. I. don’t. fucking. care. I don’t even use Linux. Take it to someone who cares.
Windows Key+D
Press it again to restore all apps to foreground.
You can still re-enable it in the taskbar settings. Personally I like asking an AI to do stuff, so I like the Copilot icon in my taskbar, BUT NOT ON THE FREAKING BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER GODDAMMIT THAT’S FOR LIKE NOTIFICATIONS
AND NOW NOTIFICATIONS GO OVER COPILOT BUT NOT QUICK SETTINGS FOR SOME REASON AND IF YOU BRING UP QUICK SETTINGS IT SHIFTS TO THE LEFT AND HIDES NOTIFICATIONS??
at least I won’t accidentally hide my desktop while clicking copilot in a place where it shouldn’t have been
except oh no signing in to unlock copilot doesn’t even fucking worktime to grind on my giant arch migration checklist and hunt for a good foobar2000 alternative which i’ll likely never finish
Just press windows+d bro.
I forgot that the button exists.
Linux exists people, without copilot using your information for training data and if you game, has Valve releasing updates like crazy for proton making it easier and easier to use Linux for gaming. The only thing I use Windows for is GeForce now as the windows and Mac apps are the only way for me to play 1440p 120fps with their service.
Good beginner distros: pop_os, Ubuntu, Linux mint, Nobara or fedora, Garuda, Manjaro, solus, zorin. The possibilities are really endless. Just take your pick, make a bootable USB and try it out.
has Valve releasing updates like crazy for proton making it easier and easier to use Linux for gaming.
It quite ridiculous how far it has come. I remember trying out ubuntu years ago and being incredibly disappointed with how few games were compatible. Nowadays I’m running a dual boot LMDE/Win 10. Probably 80% of my games work right out of the box, and the other 20% I can just switch over within a minute or so.
I am still a little disappointed at the lack of mod manager compatibility for some games, but it no longer feels like a deal breaker for me.
Idk which games you’re referring to, but I (somehow) used steam tinker launcher to do modding on fallout new vegas
The two big ones as of late for me has been rounds, valheim, and lethal company, all of which are on r2modman, but r2modman does something funky on linux that makes games crash immediately after trying to launch them. Probably solvable, but not easily enough for me to go through the trouble.
Linux isn’t for mainstream users yet. It wasn’t when I tried switching to it several years back, it isn’t now.
I tried Zorin recently, UI looked absolutely beautiful so I wanted to try and get into it on my laptop.
Only issue is, the trackpad scroll speed was too fast. I went into settings to try and slow this down. No dice, this option just want available. I tried googling, which led me to some stackexchange posts, which I tried to use to solve the issue by changing xinput or something device parameters.
I tried for maybe 15 mins to do this without success. This kinda stuff is why Linux is not ready for the masses yet. I shouldn’t have to touch the command line for something like this. On windows I could have changed this without googling anything or touching the cli.
I know this is just one thing, but it’s representative of my other experiences with Linux in general. Things seem to have improved since several years ago (needed terminal to even get touchscreen working in Firefox), bit it’s just not there yet.
I really do want to switch to Linux, but I don’t want my computer os to be a hobby project that I have to sink time into to keep functional, I need it to be a tool that lets me get work done with minimal roadblocks.
I’ve never in my entire time of using a modern Linux distro have ever had to change scrolling speeds with a terminal…that’s just utter bullshit.
Just because you haven’t had a particular problem doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or can’t happen.
If you use nvidia, make sure to choose a distro that deals with their drivers by default. I havent manage to get Nvidia drivers and ingame cutscenes to work on Fedora, but after switching to Nobara all is well now. (And switching to KDE on X11, since wayland was freezing occasionally and some apps wouldnt work)
Aside from HDR, I still havent managed to get HDR working and its starting to look like it wont really be possible. And Unity. Unity simply doesnt work both in a VM and on Linux, so I annoyongly still have to dualboot.
Other than that, ive switched around two months ago, and aside from the first pains caused by me choosing Fedora instead of Nobara, everything mostly works without issues.
My latest attempts at using Linux on my desktop started with Nobara. It was good but some updates borked my install. I’ve been using Bazzite, an atomic OS, and it has been rock solid.
HDR support is supposedly fixed on kde and should be getting fixed in most other distros soon supposedly.
Unity worked for me on pop os after some fiddling and installing of dependencies, but it didn’t fully work. There was a bunch of tools (like animation keyframes) which just didn’t display correctly for me though. Checking out the source code of one the util did a check to see whether it was running on windows or Mac, then exited if it wasn’t either of those. Would be good to run it via proton if possible so we get full support without the Devs needing to write tons of code to support a small percentage of users. That experience is pretty common when running Linux as your main, but the other benefits make up for it.
Well I listened to all the people hyping up Linux and tried pop os, literally nothing works right, it’s unusable lol. First time I tried to install it it straight up failed, worked on the second try. My hdr monitor isn’t supported apparently and looked dim no matter what I did. Had to fiddle with the display settings for a while to get scaling to work right so I could read text on the higher resolution monitor and fonts looked like ass anyways on the 1080p one. The messenger I use didn’t get a network connection until it crashed and restarted without OpenGL (what?). And the system scaling didn’t work in steam anyways so all the text was like 8px. After all that fun I can’t imagine how bad windows would need to get for me to switch to this garbage
Yeah you’re full of shit, sorry but I’ve never heard of any of these issues happening. The only thing I can think of is you used the wrong ISO that wasn’t for Nvidia or something. Also, you want HDR then use KDE, so you want something like KDE Neon or Kubuntu. As for fonts looking like shit, again, it’s all down to your drivers would be my guess, meaning you’re the one who downloaded the wrong ISO for pop_os. I’m running an all AMD build, maybe you should look into that I guess if you literally can’t click install on the hardware drivers applet in any modern Linux distro.
2024 will be the first year I use linux exclusively on my desktop. Bazzite has been amazing.
They’re signaling that you don’t need a desktop anymore, only chat bot. Your device will be a kiosk where you ask Microsoft for favours.
Microsoft, please google “dystopia”
“I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that. Perhaps you want me to Bing “dystopia” instead?”
Shit. Is this the future.
